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: Ilya Bouko 2:5036/9.21 01 98 15:25
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: Boris Ivanov 2:5020/1779 01 98 17:41
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Ohayou gozaimasu, All!
               -== ut of PARENTS.TXT ==-

: Demian Phillips Fri 29 May 98 12:53
: All Sat 30 May 98 03:43
: Re: Interesting article on Kiki s and witchcraft?(getting off-topic)

alamm@samiam.colorado.edu (Shuvo) wrote:
               This attitude is slightly... ummm... problematic. You are sort of
              having the same knee jerk attitude to these people that you accuse them
              of
              having to you, for different reasons of course... And your reaction is a
              result of past experience where theirs might not be, but it s the same
              type of reaction. You have to admit that the people you mention are in
              the
              vast minority.
They are.
But I guess I failed to make my point and rambled a bit about some bad
experiences.
The point I wanted to make was that a upbringing of the type we are
talking about, ensuring your kids don t go astray, doesn t ensure that
they won t grow up to be axe murders. then again if you just sit back
and let kids do what they want they might also become axe murders. I
guess it s more about plain good parenting than how much doctrine you
inject into someone who is developing.
               Most people who perpetrate violent acts have more problems than this
              type of upbringing induces. You might also notice that I made exception
              for people who do this in my post. I don t say that they don t exist,
              just
              that you should not lump everyone of this attitude in this group.
              
               I also tried to clear up the misconception of what these parents are
              trying to prevent. They aren t afraid that their children will become
              little overfiends. They are afraid that their children will lose sight of
              the firm moral and doctrinal compass that will lead them to a
              fullfilling,
              non-confusing life right onto heaven s gate. They want their children to
              become wonderful examples of humanity onto God, the redemption of
              mankind.
              This can t happen if they become confused and led astray.
              
               You know I, in defending these people, am having a hard time to keep
              from parodying them or laughing my ass off, but they do have a legitimate
              right to their beliefs, and the beliefs are sound when you look at it
              from
              their perspective. They think they have found the answers to life...
              
              else
              will just serve to imprison them in lies.
              
               BTW if you must know, I have run into the type of people you mention
               in
              my past... Well, run into, got run over, and ran away from would be more
              accurate I suppose. Let s just say Christmas was the most frightening
              holiday season during my gradeschool career and I occasionally had
              physical scars to prove it. Heck, we all got stories
              
               Bringing it more toward on topic... Is there any fans out their whose
              parents have this attitude? Do you feel guilt at having let your parents
              down in their expectations by liking these things that are foreign to
              your
              culture and heritage? Do you feel that you are partially turning your
              back
              on your heritage? Do you sometimes regard your fandom a self destructive
              exploration (even subconciously) of subjects that have their hold on you
              because of their borderline prurient nature as well as their enlightening
              nature? Would you trade this all in for a simpler, more easily negotiated
              life where you have a simple, polite, and pleasant relationship with your
              pears, a comfortable home, an uncomplicated family, and comfortably
              unshakable doctrines? (Don t tell me it s impossible, I have seen plenty
              of people living out their lives in this state)
              
Sorry I cant provide a Christian view of this. But haha I have another
spiritual viewpoint that might be educational, or at least amusing.
I was raised as a Hare Krishna. When I was younger, I was taught the
hard-line fundamentalist view on all other religions, and the "outside
world" (lived on a farming community). Those teachings were that all
other spiritual views were wrong, or misguided (something I hear from
the Christian fundi camp). Everyone not living "our" lifestyle was
deluded or evil (another thing I hear from fundi). all outside
influences of a non-spiritual nature were bad (again something I
hear...)
Then after about 10 years people actually started to think about
things with somewhat clearer heads. They started being more
understanding of other belief systems, and that not all people outside
a specific group were evil. (this is something I have seen from the
more open-minded of all faiths). People started to look around and say
"hey, you are not so different from me." This set up dialog between
quite a few groups who believed differently, but had decided to be
open minded about things. In retrospect it s sad that it 25+ years for
people to see that things never are black and white. (the movement was
around for at least 15 years before my parents moved there.)
and as to your question about how they feel about anime.
my parents are quite strange. They were involved in sci-fi fandom
(helping organize a lot of philcon, balticon, and a few other cons. as
well as being dealers) to the point that an comic artist put them a
illustration of the dealers room for no other reason than that they
were perennial, and I was cute. (shameless self plug there)
but after doing that for about 10 years they decided to give up their
"normal lives" and move to a commune. 14 years later they are still
somewhat involved in the religion (are there any organized ones that
politics don t ruin?).
I am at this point agnostic.
Last week they came out to visit me, and my dad decided he wanted to
watch otaku no video (he enjoyed it). and I decided to show them
prefectual earth defense force. (he almost died from laughter),
slayers 1-4 (my dad is big on comedy) and I finished with Whispers of
the heart (they both liked that one) I think they never minded things
that showed a different culture, or new view on something. I cant
recall them ever being upset back when I was 8-9 and sitting in hotel
rooms watching "new" anime like fresh from tv ogruss. or the yamato
movies.
Hope this answers your question, and I didn t ramble too long.
-
^_^
Demian Phillips

: The Scribe Fri 29 May 98 15:49
: All Sat 30 May 98 03:43
: Guilt by association? (Was Re: Kiki and witchcraft--getting off topic)

                             
                              Bringing it more toward on topic... Is there any fans out their
                              whose
                             parents have this attitude? Do you feel guilt at having let your
                             parents
                             down in their expectations by liking these things that are foreign to
                             your
                             culture and heritage? Do you feel that you are partially turning your
                             back
                             on your heritage? Do you sometimes regard your fandom a self
                             destructive
                             exploration (even subconciously) of subjects that have their hold on
                             you
                             because of their borderline prurient nature as well as their
                             enlightening
                             nature? Would you trade this all in for a simpler, more easily
                             negotiated
                             life where you have a simple, polite, and pleasant relationship with
                             your
                             pears, a comfortable home, an uncomplicated family, and comfortably
                             unshakable doctrines? (Don t tell me it s impossible, I have seen
                             plenty
                             of people living out their lives in this state)
Well, I like to think that my parents would be proud that I could view
these pieces of entertainment and know that my personal moral system is
still intact.
I know what my parents like and the few films I ve shown them thus far
(They Were 11, Night on the Galactic Railroad, My Neighbor Totoro for
example) have been successes.
Turning my back on my heritage? No, not really. I like to think of it as
a different way to tell the same story. Take KOR for example. Kyosuuke s
"conquest" of Madoka more or less was him wondering when he d be able to
plant a kiss on her lips. If this were an American soap opera, it would
be how quickly he could bed her. I find the former a bit more sweet.
Can viewing this be self destructive? Well, occasionally. I rented
"Wicked City" and while I thought the story was interesting (believe me
there was one amidst all the sex and violence) some of the things acted
out on the screen JUST SHOULDN T BE SHOWN. I was treated to something
that I d never seen before, but I don t want to see it again. (Rent
before you buy!)
Where i run into the most trouble is some of my more closed minded
friends. I remember one night I rented the first volume of Maison Ikkoku
(the english subtitled Viz video release). I couldn t believe the
reaction I got from these people. They felt it was too risque.
I m no stranger to being ostracized due to something I believe in. I
personally hope that eventually anime will get a little bit more accepted
here on the West Coast. This is why I applaud Disney s efforts with the
Miyazaki films (Kiki s dub is excellent).
No I wouldn t trade this for a simpler life. The people I ve met that
live like this only live half lives.
Neal
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