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: Boris Ivanov 2:5020/496.90 p 24 p 98 05:52
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: Re: Is anime spectacular in Japan?

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* Forwarded by Boris Ivanov (2:5020/496.90)
* Area : REC.ARTS.ANIME.MISC
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: crobato@kuentos.guam.net (Robato Yao) (Monday March 23 1998 01:58)
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* : Re: Is anime spectacular in Japan?

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In <351463A2.6C55@uclink4.berkeley.edu>, mik101@uclink4.berkeley.edu writes:
              Scopedog wrote:
                            
                             I apologize if this has been explained before, but here goes nuthin .
                            
                             Does the general Japanese television viewing public care any more about
                             most anime than Americans care about most cartoons and sitcoms? I ve
Frankly no. Even my contacts in Japan are not too fond of anime;
they re big on American science fiction merchandise on the other hand,
especially on collectible Star Wars and Star Trek toys, which I use as a
trade advantage. The favorite actor for one guy is Gene Wilder (big
Young Frankenstein fan), another is Brent Spiner, and the favorite
movie of another is Contact (with Jodie Foster).
For my business circle (age 28-60), it s all golf. Golf, golf, golf.
GOLF. They don t know what the hell a Gunbuster is, but they sure
appreciate what a Calloway Big Bertha can do. I simply don t mention
my interest to anime to any Japanese businessman I know. I am currently
buying out a penthouse from one by the way---he badly needs the money,
shattering another Western illusion that all Japanese are rich tycoons.
Do I tell him I like Sailor Moon? I would be embarrassed.
The kind of people who appreciate anime in Japan are similar to the
kind of people who appreciate anime in the US---teenaged geeks or geeks
who really never grew up (like me). Otakus are really all the same
people everywhere in the world. They may speak different languages and
have different eye, skin and hair color, but the gears cranking in their
heads is still the same. If you don t believe me check out the
various non anime interests of otaku and you may seem other
similarities. It is just that in Japan, anime is born there, it is the
source and the Mecca.
It does not really matter what the age is. If the guy is an otaku by
the time he is a teenager, he will stay almost that way for the rest of
his life. There is nothing about anime that limits age except for
really age specific shows. There is a kind of flashy mental stimulation
in these shows that are inherently addicting. It is also an expression
of counter culture against mainstream culture (and its shows.) Truly
right on the edge anime breaks all the rules, cultural, sexual taboos,
etc,. whether the taboos are Japanese or US.
Another thing is that in Japan, the abundance of anime, as well as its
promotion and marketing borders way past overkill. Many people do burn
out or even feel sick about it, and shift their interest to something a
bit more harder to get, go beyond to the next level. That s why my
friends shifted to US based science fiction. Look at Sailor Moon. You
can build an entire house, an entire lifestyle on Sailor Moon
merchandise alone. It is so pervasive you expect some negative
reaction---they end up viewing it as junk. The end result is that
people who get turned off by anime will tend to view people who are
fanatical or stay with anime as crazed nuts, creating the bad negative
connotation with "otaku".
There are basically two kinds of anime. One is geared for kids and
commercial markets, while another is for established fan base. Otakus
will prize the real fan stuff, but not the commercial merchandise.
Another new aspect is the rise of collectible toys, mainly coming from
fan anime. This is similar to the rise of collectible comics and toys
in the US. One aspect is also the same---some of the collectors are not
really into the show but rather in the commercial aspects of the hobby.
The bottomline is that be careful not to type Japanese as anime loving.
Many simply don t or care about. Fan anime caters to a large market,
yes, but there is more than 120 million Japanese (half the US
population) and so that puts it in perspective. Science Fiction in the
US is also a super big industry, but only a small segment are
devoted Star Trekkies. But spread that over a 240 million population,
plus in other countries, and you get a mighty big market that is enough
to sustain Paramount as a major studio.
Do note that once in a while, though, there are shows that transcend
borders. Mononoke Hime is one. It transcends past anime fandom that
even mainstream viewers and non anime fans of all ages would watch it.
Shows by Hayao Miyazaki tends to be treated that way though. For the
same reason in the US, you also have big budget SF movies that everyone,
not just SF fans, would watch. You will also note the parallel in US
Science Fiction---there is highly commercialized mainstream type, like a
Speilberg movie such as Lost World, and there is fan based, like a Star
Trek movie.
                             got this feeling that American, or rather, most non-Japanese anime fans,
                             only find anime so great because they weren t exposed to it constantly
                             from birth and because it differs so much from what they ve seen. If
                             you were born in Japan, how can it differ from anything you ve seen?
                             How could it possibly be spectacular? Could the Japanese care less if
                             it s translated poorly or not? Do we care if Seinfeld is tranlated
                             poorly?
                            
                             I m partially asking this question because of that scary Karvonen guy.
                             He seems to hold anime on way too high a pedestal, but also, I had sort
                             of a rude-awakening a couple of months ago when I bought a box full of
                             anime stuff from a middle-aged Japanese man here in Texas. He was
                             surprised that I knew so much useless crap about the stuff I was buying
                             and that I was so interested in merchandise from decade old anime
                             series(VOTOMs, L-Gaim, and Dougram). I used to assume that anime was as
                             neat and cool to the Japanese as it was to me, but all of a sudden, I m
                             wondering if the Japanese majority even cares. I also got the distinct
                             impression that all this stuff the guy sold me that I would consider
                             rare and hard to come by is stuff that everybody in Japan has or had at
                             one time or another while growing up as part of a normal child-hood;
                             whereas my "normal childhood" never consisted of 1/144 Hi-Complete
                             Johnny Ridden Zakus, or SF3D models, or a 1/144 Dreissen, or SD L-Gaim
                             gachapons, or 1/60 Union VOTOMs models, or the Merowlink side-story
                             manga "Citta Aperta", or VOTOMs modeling mooks, or the first Hobby Japan
                             Blue Knight mook, or Newtype Magazine, or Hobby Japan Magazine, or a
                             couple other animation magazines I would consider obscure(I m more of a
                             mecha model fan than an anime fan, though, so my experience is a little
                             tilted).
                             This is all stuff I ve only learned about in the last 6 or 7 years, and
                             before that, all I had was Transformers crap(I love Beast wars, though),
                             G.I. Joe crap, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoons and merchandise ad
                             nauseum, and Battletech crap(I still read the novels). I went from
                             that, to anime. How could I but find anime spectacular? The
                             middle-aged Japanese man I bought the affore-mentioned stuff from: how
                             could he but mostly disregard anime? He may watch it and enjoy it, but
                             I watch and enjoy some sitcoms, and I sure don t care what happens to
                             them. Sitcoms ain t a significant artform to me, and I doubt anime is a
                             significant artform to him. An artform still, to be sure, but
                             generally-speaking of Japan, not a particularly spectacular one or one
                             deserving of specific and unique attention. There are some great and
                             classic movies, some great and classic TV shows, and some great and
                             classic anime, however, they should be judged separately from standard
                             fare.
                            
                             Of course, I have no experience with Japanese culture, so feel free to
                             flame me if I read this experience all wrong.
                            
                             --
                             "You ever listen to K-Billy s Super Sounds of the Seventies?
                             It s my personal favorite." -Mr. Blonde
              
              Some more thoughts:
              
              While I agree with the other posters, let me add a few thoughts on the
              subject.
               First, most "middle aged" people are not otaku about anime the way
              a younger 16-35 year old might be. (Of course there are exceptions
              including myself) Middle-aged Japanese tend to watch anime on TV along
              with their chidren or grandchildren, and see movies like Mononoke Hime
              the way US parents would take their kids to see Disney. I would suspect
              that the age demographics for most of the anime that is popular in the
              US is 16-35 and children.
               Most anime in Japan however is not aimed primarily to kids, even so
              called "kids" shows are risque by our standards and have elements that
              only an adult could appreciate.
               Even though a lot of anime has a merchandising "toy" aspect (Sailor
              Moon, Rayearth, Kodocha and many, many more) the sale of LD s, esp. box
              sets, and some VHS are geared to adults or at least affluent teens who
              can afford LD s at $50.-$100. a pop per volume. For instance, the
              complete set of 200 Sailor Moon eps. on LD s would run approx. $2500.
              (US) even if the Japanese had more Yen to spend than we have dollars,
              that is still very pricey to buy for kids alone or casual TV watchers.
              
               The truth is, that while anime is a part of Japanese life/culture
              and not a novelty as it is in the US, the Japanese treat anime like any
              other form of entertainment or art form. American products like Levis
              jeans are a status symbol and quite expensive in Japan, while we can buy
              them anywhere, but that doesn t mean that we value Levis any less. In
              fact we buy more because its easy to get.
              Put it this way, the Japanese treat an anime TV show the way we treat
              the sitcoms that we watch. They just happen to be animated. Each has its
              following, and popularity, and each appeals more or less. to a given
              segment of the population. I would suspect however, that "middle-aged"
              Japanese watch less anime than the younger age groups, in the same way
              that X Files appeals mostly to 16-35 year olds here.
              
              Well thats how I see it anyway.......
(counting down from top 50 oxymorons...)
10. Tight slacks
9. Definite maybe
8. Pretty ugly
7. Twelve-ounce pound cake
6. Diet ice cream
5. Rap music
4. Working vacation
3. Exact estimate
2. Religious tolerance
And the NUMBER ONE top oxy-MORON
1. Microsoft Works
---From the Top 50 Oxymorons (thanks to Richard Kennedy)
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